Gays who didn't ping your gaydar

Clemens Schick - never pinged! Same with Raymond Burr. Is there anyone you were shocked turned out to be gay? (I'm anticipating smartass responses like Liberace.)

Ben Aldridge never stood out to me- that said, I've never seen him being interviewed in real life.

I'm surprised about Ben as well.

Earl Holliman. Daniel J Travanti.

When I first noticed Julian Morris around 2008, playing Dr. Andrew Wade in E.R., I didn't think he was gay. I was very attracted to him, and I've thought since that maybe I liked him so much because I sensed unconsciously that he was a lover of pole, which I didn't find out until 2013, when I discovered Datalounge.

I liked NPH and Jonathan Bennett more than most actors long before I heard they were gay. My gaydar is very finely tuned, I suppose. I have a similar feeling about Andrew Garfield more currently. And maybe Aaron Tveit.

Years ago I simply thought he was handsome. Now, more and more, I think that he is, indeed, a closeted gay guy.

R6 He's too pretty and handsome ( and short) to be straight.

Joel Crothers from Dark Shadows.

Jonathan Bailey and Hugh Skinner.

David Marshall Grant was a pleasant surprise for me. I had a huge crush on him from American Flyers.

Rock Hudson didn't when I was a teenager and saw his movies. Van Johnson didn't, either. I'm talking about in movies like The Caine Mutiny and Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo. Obviously, if these guys pinged, they couldn't have starred in the movies they did.

Tom "The Seven Year Itch" Ewell. Outed in the Scotty Bowers documentary...

R18 I just heard about that the other day. He didn't (still doesn't) seem gay to me.

What about Dan Dailey? Was he a cross dresser, only, or also gay/bi?

R21, Dailey was bisexual, but loved a nice pinafore!

My BF, My first impression of him was That's allll Man! Until he did his Jackee "Mary" Or when he told me how much he admired Angela Landsbury for making her Positive moves video! Or when his college roommate's Answering machine message was "Stephen can't come to the phone right now I have him Tied up"

Oops, that was Brett Eldridge.

In Perry Mason, there are scenes where Raymond Burr queens out for a few seconds before he regains control of himself. People who don't know he was gay wouldn't notice it. Daniel J. Travanti definitely pinged in Hill Street Blues.

[quote]When I first noticed Julian Morris around 2008, playing Dr. Andrew Wade in E.R., I didn't think he was gay. I was very attracted to him, and I've thought since that maybe I liked him so much because I sensed unconsciously that he was a lover of pole, which I didn't find out until 2013, when I discovered Datalounge.

R4, I had a similar discovery about Julian Morris. I first noticed him in movies like "Cry Wolf" and "Donkey Punch" and I think I assumed he was probably just British. After a while I followed him on Instagram and started to notice all the photos that he & Landon Ross would post together. I started to realize that they must be more than just friends and that's around the time we began to discuss him on Datalounge.

R30, I forgot about Kal! His fiance is cute. I think Kal’s the top.

Actually, r32, I was said to as well.

r28 - so not gay then lol. He specifically says he is not gay and was still dating women in his (very) late 30's in 2010. He simply 'chooses' to mostly date men now.

So, bisexual.

"When I first noticed Julian Morris around 2008, playing Dr. Andrew Wade in E.R., I didn't think he was gay. I was very attracted to him, and I've thought since that maybe I liked him so much because I sensed unconsciously that he was a lover of pole, which I didn't find out until 2013, when I discovered Datalounge."

I had a crush on him for years but didn't know he was family until I started reading about him on the datalounge

I never saw the Harold and Kumar movie, but I like Kal as well. He's smart, which is a turn on for me.

Every man mentioned in this thread is a big giant flaming queen. How do any of you ever get laid? Your gaydar is shit.

Richard Deacon, Mel Cooley on the Dick Van Dyke Show.

Kal isn't a flaming queen.

For R35 and others, here's our Julian

Van Johnson never pinged to me. Didn't know he was gay until I read it here

Rock Hudson never pinged in his movies

R28, so a british actor. No wonder no one's heard of him.

Anderson Cooper is another one I didn't know about until I started posting here. I had a crush on him back when he was doing World News Now

Never knew for sure about Anderson until he was on with Kelly and realized he was part of the Bruce Bozzi/SJP/NPH/David Tyler Muir crowd.

And with Gloria as a mother?

R41, here's a better version of that photo:

You have something against his face, r50?

R51, I was thinking of posting that one later, so thanks.

J. August Richards from “Angel.”

Did he and Andy Hallet ever hook up?

Chase Williamson from John Dies At The End was a surprise. Though after I found out and watched a couple of interviews with him, it was like ‘how could I not have known?’

Paul Lynde was a big surprise.

Hayden Rorke, aka Dr. Bellows, I dream of Jeannie.

Montgomery Clift never pinged to me. Patricia Bosworth book was given to me by someone when I was 19 and from then on I knew he was gay so it's hard to say. I saw Red River, A Place In The Sun and From Here To Eternity, before that, he didn't seem gay to me in those films.

Sherman Hemsley and John Goodman

R14, he actually pinged to me. I wanted to make sure of it so I looked up on Wikipedia and BINGO.

Actually R28, it’s apparently called IMDB.

Kal Penn was definitely a shocker. I was living in DC when he took a Hollywood break and went to work for the Obama administration. I thought he was extremely cute then and I'd admired him leaving acting temporarily for public service work.

If I had known he was gay and (at the time) single, I would have found him and he'd be my husband now. He'd have had no say in the matter.

John Mahoney (the father from Frasier, among other roles).

Never pinged to me at all.

Colton Haynes...anyone agree?

[quote] My first impression of him was That's allll Man!

Offensive

Dick Sargent. Paul Lynde. Anderson Cooper.

All obvious.

R38 is right.

Richard Chamberlain didn't ping for me on Dr. Kildare

R61, John Goodman?! Is that a joke? Details.

Luke Evans doesn't ping for me in his screen roles

[quote]Carl Nassib

To be fair, how many of us even knew who he was before he came out? Or heard/saw him speak? I know I didn’t.

I guess a lot of queens on this thread have never been to a gay bar. When I really started going to gay bars as a youngster by 1994 I was really surprised at the type of low key- easily pass for straight types I would see in them. Guys I would NEVER guess were gay walking down the street. I'm not taking about guys with builds ( so many queens today have builds that having a build on anyone seems kinda gay) these were slim, slightly rumpled guys who were not macho but on the masculine side- I happened to like slim rumpled guys.

R79, some people saw him on the NFL show Hard Knocks

Oh, thanks, r81. Didn’t know that.

… are the ones I want? But seriously if all you do is shit rainbows, I would not be interested. It’s a bullet point, not the entire book.

Graham Chapman, but I was super happy to find out

R44:

"The Kinsey tale is one of the film’s few fascinating tidbits. Another is Bowers’ discussion of “big users” — men such as “The Seven Year Itch” star Tom Ewell and composer Cole Porter, who each asked Bowers to summon between 15 and 20 guys at once for sex."

I wouldn't trust everything coming out of Bowers' mouth

Larry Clark. His film, Bully features multiple close-ups of Bijou Phillips' (thankfully underwear-clad) crotch, so I assumed that he was straight. He is not.

R90, did he hook up with Vincent Kartheiser?

R90, tell me more about Larry Clark not being straight!

Tammy Hanks (it's why he drinks all the time and stays with that shrew oops I mean beard).

Jeff Garlin (ok he's not, but a girl can still dream)

R93- You're HOT IN THE PANTS for Jeff Garlin?

You go GURL!

Yes, Jeff is hot, and if other DLers don't agree that's the're problem.

[quote]if other DLers don't agree that's the're problem.

I usually don't "Oh, dear" anyone but I think this is an exceptional case.

Sorry if I'm a little tipsy when I post, R96. It's Friday, so sue me.

R99 Glad you can laugh at yourself...or can you?

Well, we’re laughing at him at least.

Just bustin’ ‘em on ya, r99.

R101 Hahaha!

Colton Haynes. At least I don't think he pinged, to me. And after all he took those un-gaying lessons.

R95- I don't like FIT Jeff Garlin

I like FAT Jeff Garlin

We feel the same way R103

If his being razor thin gives us a few extra years of JEFF, I'm willing to put up with it.

Clemens Schick is gay!?!? Tell me another one.

Hunter Doohan from Wednesday

Are you sure Fred Dryer is gay?

Half of these people aren't even gay R110. People are just making shit up on this thread.

Getting back to the original question: Jim Nabors. He was the folksy guy everyone loved.

Malcolm Forbes

[Quote]Homoerotic art was splashed liberally on the walls of his Manhattan townhouse. He had a penchant for handsome young men hired as servers for his catered parties and dinners. Before the guests arrived he would lure one of them into his Jacuzzi and give him a blow job – followed by a $100 tip – and then send him back out to work his party. Same deal with the houseboys, bodyguards and chauffeurs. He often gave blow jobs to his male employees at his magazine office, with the door wide open, so others would not suspect what was going on. His son Steve was in an office not thirty feet away. His secretary, seated near the open door, but out of sight of his desk, knew never to just walk in. She always called first. Smart gal.

British actor, Jeremy Sheffield

Despite having a leading role in one of the most popular gay romantic films of all time (!), it still surprised me to find out Scott Neal is an openly gay man.

[Quote] Colton Haynes. At least I don't think he pinged, to me. And after all he took those un-gaying lessons.

Then Colto should get a refund because he wasn't fooling anyone on Teen Wolf.

Nimoy had to be bisexual. He put up his own money, along with others, to produce this Jean Genet drama where he plays situational prison gay.

My dad was not gay. He was in love with Liz Taylor

Leo Varadkar, Irish politician

OP- It's easy to find the PINGERS

it's not so easy to find the NON pingers

Former US House of Representatives member Barney Frank, back in the early 1980s.

R132 is obviously not from Massachusetts.

Maybe it's Margaret Heckler.

R134, Who bought her wigs at Filene’s Basement.

R135- That's okay, as long as they weren't RATTY KOREAN WIGS 👩

I don't see that Leonard Nimoy was gay. He was married twice and had 2 kids. The net says no. Where did you get this R128?

R89, whatever. Many of the men who knew Bowers -- including Raymond Burr's partner and Walter Pidgeon's grandson -- backed up his claims.

R126, what? He's gay?! No way. Seriously, I had no idea.

[quote] A Neighbors

Gurl please, are you fuck’n kidding me. Are you on crack.

R141 - yes, he and his partner celebrated their 20 year anniversary this year.

Charles Barkley - I know one of his male exes

R140, So did Gore Vidal, publicly.

R144 reallyyy? That’s an interesting one. He still looks great.

R144, He may have had male exes, but he was also a known pussy hound in his prime.

I can see why he would've slipped under the radar R59 . No one was thinking of Dr Bellows sexually let alone his sexuality.

R80 Please shut THE fuck up. Your experience following men into bathrooms while being coked out of your gourd has NOTHING to do with the topic of this thread.

Brian Unger!!! WHHAAAT? I had NO idea. So funny on IASIP

And looks like he's down with the swirl.

Wait, Charles Barkley is bi/gay? He's very gay friendly.

It's funny how all those Hollywood celebs who trusted Scotty Bowers to never reveal they were gay or bi, ended up being outed by him in the end. Never trust a hustler, I guess. Always out for the buck.

R153 After they died (if those rumors are even true). Who cares once you are gone

R10, I was hoping you'd post a pic of Joel as nasty Nathan Forbes; the way he walked around in the uniform with the yellow pants -- I don't recall or not recall a bulge but he was sexy.

And the way he constantly was threatening to kidnap and do away with little Daniel; god that turned me on. I knew it was fake. Real life...not so much.

R155 I'm just saying he took their money to keep their secrets when they were alive, then after they died, he made more money off them by revealing those secrets - without their consent. You either get it or you don't, I guess.

Hard to get one's consent from a DEAD PERSON.

R158 He and they weren't dead when they knew each other. They had an agreement. Morally the agreement to keep someone's secrets shouldn't end when you die. I've known certain secrets about people. When those people died, I didn't think "Okay, now I can tell the world what I know about them, because they're dead." That would be a pretty tacky thing to do, wouldn't it? Especially writing a book revealing those secrets, for money? Like I say, either you get it or you don't.

Keith Strickland and Ricky Wilson from The B-52's.

Fred Schneider pings to high heaven but they didn't back in the day.

Geoffrey Bayldon and Alan Rowe.

Hardy Fox of The Residents.

R162 Ad Kate Pierson to the list.

She's not a Ghey she's a Lesbian but when Meredith Baxter Birney was on Family - SO pretty and So feminine I never would have guessed she was a lezzie.

John Travolta until many years ago a very handsome guy early 20s told us at work Travolta had tried to pick him up. This was before any public rumors started circulated.

R168- Are you new?

There were RUMORS about Revolta in 1977.

Alec Guinness. Picked up in a men's room in England for solicitation when homosexuality was still illegal.

R167 Cause lesbians can't be pretty and feminine?

R173 - not in my experience.

Meridith had years of prime cock, evidently wasted.

R176, If you meant Robert “TCM” Osborne, you can’t be serious.

R178 I first saw Dirk Bogarde in A Tale Of Two Cities on TV when I was about 14. Maybe I had no gaydar to ping, yet. I saw him in some other movies at the time - The Password Is Courage, Doctor In The House - thought he passed as straight. Wasn't he a heart throb, inthe 50s?

Sean Dickson, back when he was in The Soup Dragons.

Now he looks like a gay gym muscle daddy clone.

There’s an actor from Sweden or Norway that looks and sounds straight- I can’t remember his name. He was good looking too. He’s played straight characters and gay characters.

R172, if I win the lottery I'm going to fucking BUY a Race Bannon of my very own.

Someone to watch over me, make sure I don't get kidnapped etc.

R185, Joe Penny is married to a woman.

R161, I doubt any of the dead are worried about ANYTHING, least of all what they had to hide when they were alive.

[quote]Geoffrey Bayldon and Alan Rowe.

Yes, they were both British character actors with long careers and were a gay couple. Both made guest appearances in the original 'Doctor Who' series.

And Geoffrey was of course fantastic as Catweazle.

Well he was fantastic in pretty much everything I've ever seen him in.

R189, yes, Geoffrey had the longer career and lived into his 90's, just dying a few years ago. He was in everything from 'Doctor Who', to 'The Tomorrow People' and played Herbert Lom's psychiatrist in one of the Peter Sellers 'Pink Panther' films.

Ian "Molly" Meldrum. I watched him on Aussie TV for decades. Clueless. Completely. When he finally came out several years back, I was beyond gobsmacked. I still am.

Blimey I didn't know that either R191 - but having the nickname Molly is a bit like hiding in plain sight!

R192, I’m shocked that anyone was gobsmacked when Molly Meldrum came out. I watched his Countdown religiously as a gayling, and always suspected. Something about the way he presented Supernaut’s “I Like it Both Ways” clinched it for me.

I honestly did not hear anything about Travolta until that guy at work told me he came onto him. And it wasn't until the 90s where the gossip had become mainstream. I did hear about Sondheim's predilections however way back then.

Amy Worley from GMA. On Coming Out Day a couple yrs back they showed her with her son on a segment about coming out to your parents—I assumed he was the gay one.

R197 You mean Becky Worley?

Thought he was a closet gay. But he has said he’s a “lady”. But she has not claimed to be trans. Straight in public, lady off-camera and dating.

Burt Lancaster…bi, but I didn’t expect him.

David Odgen Stiers aka Charles Emerson Winchester.

Historical figure. J Edgar Hoover. And I wish I didn't know.

Drake. But I no longer believe the hype so in hindsight I should've known better.

Tuc Watkins (One Life to Live) and Nick Scotti (The Young and the Restless)

R208, how do you know Nick Scotti is gay?

OP, Clemins whatever is bi.

R205, I remember him for a guest appearance on Star Trek. He left all his money to charity, so he must have died single. Sad.

R213-Yes. He appeared in an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation.

Tom Irwin, probably best known as the dad on My So-Called Life.

Donald Trump. Never anticipated that but yes he’s a homosexualist.

R217, where'd you hear that?

Is Tom Irwin truly gay? R217

Yes, I’ve said it twice now. I don’t care if you don’t believe me.

Relax, R217. I'm not calling you a liar; I'm just surprised. My So-Called Life is one of my favorite shows.

R216 SORRY. The title of the thread is not "Guys who YOU want to be gay who don't ping."

Drake us not a straight man R224 no matter what the voices in your head say. So Keep your mouth closed unless there's a cock coming towards it you blowhard.

^ I think this thread is for openly gay people. Otherwise you could name anyone and say they are gay.

R227- That's boring. I want to know all the gossip about the CLOSET QUEENS too.

Yeah but the juiciest gossip on DL is usually made up.

John (Marion) Wayne, Spencer Tracy, Rory Calhoun, Walter Pidgeon.

R230- Is it true that Clint Eastwood has either taken it up the ASS or sucked some COCK in his day?

R208, btw, there was NO Christmas Miracle.

R226 Speaking of blowhards and voices in your head, please present more straight men who don't ping because they're not gay, gramps.

What is this gramps bullshit? R233 If you have something against the age of people who post here, why don't you go somewhere else, like Sesame Street or Romper Room?

I was surprised to find out that Jason Butler Harner is gay. He played the bad guy in Changeling.

"Yeah but the juiciest gossip on DL is usually made up."

Nope. Just ask Kevin Spacey. Or Bruce Weber. Or the dearly departed James Levine.

Robert Osborne didn't especially ping loudly. I mean I figured he had to be gay, but on the other hand if someone said he wasn't I probably wouldn't have been all, COME ON. He seemed like he could have been anything, and I didn't know anything about his life. Very discreet, anyhow.

I'm still shocked and fascinated by the Alexis Smith / Craig "Peter Gunn" Stevens ordeal. Their 50 year marriage was supposedly as lavender as a Macy's perfume counter.

Alexis Smith was a tall, handsome woman but never gave me Kate Hepburn/Bulldyke vibes. And although Craig Stevens was one of Henry Wilson's "special" discoveries, he never pinged onscreen in any way, shape or form.

R235 He's a very sweet guy and hasn't been in the closet. A very good person.

Will Geer and Ellen Corby (Grandpa and Grandma Walton).

Sherman Helmsley was a big surprise to me.

R239 I didn't know anything about this. Where did you read it or see it? I wouldn't call Alexis Smith 'handsome' - she was a beauty.

[quote]Robert Osborne didn't especially ping loudly.

Robert Osborne pinged a lot. I could tell he was gay almost the moment I turned on TCM.

R244, Alexis and Craig had a platonic marriage for decades.

R245, He pinged so hard, I had to have my gaydar repaired.

R239 How do you know that Alexis Smith was gay?

I've never heard of Alexis Smith before, R248, but she does look a bit lesbionic in this still from "Split Second".

What an informative thread. I will pray for all these sinners, and invite them to join my Wednesday night men's prayer group.

[quote]I've never heard of Alexis Smith before

You may leave now, r249.

Lol, R251. Even in your photo she looks a little bit like a lesbian. Not super dykey like Lea DeLaria, but a bit gay.

It's the classic square jawline.

Still waiting for any backup of the claim of Smith and Stevens being in a lavender marriage. All I see when I Google it up is old posts on DL.

[quote]Robert Osborne pinged a lot. I could tell he was gay almost the moment I turned on TCM.

If he pinged that much how could he have done soaps and TV commercials playing straight guys? I thought he was probably gay but I didn't think he pinged a lot.

R254, Osborne may have fooled the straights, but he didn't fool gays with functioning gaydar.

Bryan Batt.

Mad Men. The part was a gay man trying to appear straight while working in an ad agency in NYC in the 50s. I thought he was really a straight playing the part.

He's a beauty.

[quote]Bryan Batt.

You may need to take your gaydar into the shop.

Bryan Batt makes Sean Hayes look butch.

Marlene Dietrich looked really gay, but was apparently bi. Same with Gillian Anderson.

R256 Smelling the ginger snaps

Back in the day, Italian singer Tiziano Ferro never pinged to me. Maybe his coming out didn't cause too much sensationalism since he came out the same year as Ricky Martin, and by 2010 his career was basically over in Latin America due to his scandal in Mexico.

Tiziano Ferro reminds me of Luke Evans

What? Nobody thought I could possibly be straight?

R235- He seems pretty gay during this interview.

R260- Lee Majors is a connoisseur of COCK?

This really good looking cashier at Trader Joe's in 2015- I would check him out every time I entered the store and then one day he seemed to flirt with me- asking my name and shaking my hand and asking where I lived

I've been shopping at Trader Joe's since 1997 and not before or since has a cashier introduced himself, shook my hand and asked where I lived and I've had chipper bubbly cashiers male and female but non did what this guy did. I never flirted back to this good looking TJ's employee- I feigned disinterest and I've regretted since then.

R267, You’re unaware Lee was groomed by Rock Hudson?

R268 Your story contains everything except the reason you feigned disinterest when someone you thought was attractive paid attention to you.

R268, He most likely saw you as an easy mark.

I spend an afternoon with Umberto Tozzi. Work related. Nice guy.

Bi maybe, he's Italian so it wouldn't surprise me, but he does have three children.

John Ritter pinged but I guess he was straight (?)

R271- I did not know that. I like JUICY dl gossip like that. Was Lee Majors gay for pay type or does he enjoy cock himself?

R273- He saw me as an easy mark-

For what purpose?

R260- I wonder if Lee Majors did some canoodling with Bigfoot.

R272- When I thought the good looking Trader Joe's cashier was straight I felt quite comfortable checking him out every time I went to the store and thinking about him but when I realized that perhaps he was into guys- gay or bi it made me really uncomfortable. It's like that saying- Don't wish for something because it might come true. I just could not handle this really good looking guy flirting with me- I did not mention this before but one week later I was looking at some items in one of the aisles and all of a sudden I hear someone say behind my back HI JAMES!- as if he was my best friend. It was the gl cashier from the week before. I remembered his name but all I said was Hi, not Hi Greg. It sounded like disinterest. One has a brief window of opportunity and once the window closes the opportunity is gone for good. I wish he had never introduced himself and asked my name etc.

R279, Sugar daddy, you idiot.

R279- Oh

The cashier was younger than me but not young. I would say he was about 41 years old at the time.

R248, Alexis Smith was outed by the openly lesbian writer Rita Mae Brown back in the 70s. Apparently the two had been lovers. You add to that the fact that Craig Stevens was a Henry Wilson discovery (like Rock Hudson & Tab Hunter) and the fact that Alexis & Craig never had children. It all comes out as Lavender when taken through the wash.

FYI, in addition to Alexis Smith, Rita Mae Brown also had affairs with Fannie Flagg (of "Match Game" fame), actress Susan Flannery, Martina Navratilova AND Martina's ex partner Judy Nelson! The gal laid a lot of carpet!

R284 Ok, thanks. I think if I were in that situation I would have also felt somewhat uncomfortable. But if the person approached me a second time at his job and was friendly, I probably would have at least had a conversation with him. It probably wouldn't have led to anything, because I don't don't act on my feelings often enough. Are you shy? It's still not especially clear why you were so standoffish with this guy.

Here's a rare Craig Stevens interview with that dimwit Skip E. Lowe. The interview took place shortly after Alexis Smith had died in the 90s.

Craig seemed to be in mourning but HEAVILY emphasized the fact that he & Alexis were friends before anything else. It's very telling but of course that idiot Skip E. didn't pick up on it.

R285 I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but it seems like a long time to be together for the sake of a lavender marriage. According to what I've been reading, they were married at age 26 (Craig) and 23 (Alexis) and were engaged for two years before that. I'm not sure why people that young (24 and 21) would decide to get married to hide their sexual orientation, since it wouldn't be considered unusual to be unmarried at that age, or until they were about 10 years older. And not sure why they would stay together until the death of one of them. I'd guess they must have loved each other, maybe they swung both ways. Also some other Hollywood couples with long marriages (like Ann-Marget and Roger Stevens) never had kids.

[quote]Fannie Flagg (of "Match Game" fame)

Flagg also wrote "Fried Green Tomatoes".

R286- The day he went up to me and said hi as if I was his best friend- later in the parking lot he was standing near my car when I put my items in the trunk. I said nothing to him and left. He must have taken that as disinterest. A week after that I was FINALLY ready to say something to him. I was standing in a checkout line and he walked by carrying some shopping bags- he totally ignored me as if I was invisible.

R285 Any link that says Rita Mae Brown was Alexis Smith's lover? Googling gives nothing, only another DL thread about Alexis Smith, where someone (you?) mentions it.

Weren't some of Henry Willson's clients straight? I don't know the sexual orientation of everyone in old Hollywood but John Derek for ex. was one of Willson's clients who I think was straight. At least he had 2 or 3 gorgeous sex-symbol wives.

R288, Roger SMITH had children from a previous marriage and Ann-Margret was very involved in their upbringing.

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